If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. I think he said that they replaced the extractor pin or spring or something, but not the extractor itself. It that does not work, I will either send it back to Sig or ditch the gun and go back to Glock or Smith & Wesson for a striker fired handgun. Period. Every weekend guns blow up running high pressure calibers like 9mm Luger loaded with super fast powders that are meant for low pressure cartridges like .45. It was a huge issue at one point because the company who they outsourced the extractor to went cheap. Took the wife out to SC yesterday after changing out to the 1911 guide rod with a 12lb spring. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. SATIN COPPER | Matte ZrCN. This part is a high-quality replacement internal extractor for specific versions of the P220 and most X5 models. Sig Sauer has previously settled some lawsuits involving alleged discharges. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) Doesn't happen with any of the other calibers / kits. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? Trying to gauge how widespread the problem is. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. Nope. What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. Theres a couple of possibilities. Repeat Failure To Eject malfunctions with a Sig P320 .40 destroy my end of year competition scores:/ Life's too short to be working a gun that's working against. Then 4 to 6 week wait for repair. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. Send it back to Sig? Give me a break. So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. Tried different mags? Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. Sig . The gun ran fine with brass, but as soon as I loaded her up with Tulammo, it began to choke bad again. Wow new finger grooves, crazy innovation. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. I was running 165 Xtreme RN plated with 2.7 of VV310. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Occasional kabooms are a predictable outcome. If you think of anything else, post it and I will reply. A little variance in the powder drop combined with a lower volume case and you get a round on the high end of the pressure scale for the load. The extractor is marked "042; 00". SHORTBUS- As stated, used all of the other calibers and kits with both FCUs. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. When I got it back it was ammo fussy for about 600 rounds. Sometimes in front, straight back, just barely falling out and down, and even to the LEFT. That seemed to help for a while. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. I didnt even touch it! My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. Zimmerman said he is confident his plaintiffs will prevail in the lawsuit filed this week. Firing Pin Retaining Pin, Spiral -250. . I brought a box of fiocchi and a box of blazer ammo. The X5 I borrowed will release out of battery, if you were into the lands and released out of battery that'd be a pretty big problem. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. I purchased a Sig P320C 9mm in November 16, i finally got to shoot it in Dec and now February. Sig Sauer replaced his barrel with a new one after he sent it to them. And I have a separate channel for mall ninja training tips. He had to be reprimanded by the range officer twice for unsafe handling of his pistol. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. Thanks to all for the advice. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. $8.95. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. Before they got to it. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. He was happy to find this post and that it confirmed that he felt the case support looked inadequate. U.S. lawsuits Sig actually states to never use steel casing ammo. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. Here's the video, if anyone's still interested in this topic: https://youtu.be/ilFcfIyUz6U My results are the same (about 2k rounds later). Its a compounded issue of weakened cases and the chamber design. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. There is something that SIG addressed a while back. Same problems. But that's just me. Did you try your other FCU with the 9F kit? Got my P320 in March 2015 so it was one of the earlier ones. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? I had the same thing happen on a FS P320. One was purchased new and the other was a CPO. The Glocks trigger had caught on a fold in the leather holster and it pushed the trigger part way back. 2. UPDATE: 7-6-16 So, received my P320 9F back from Sig Sauer. (It wasnt my gun). Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. I just separate Shatner the man from Kirk the character, which he plays with Shakespearian operatic perfection. MGW carries a vast array of replacement slides, barrels, magazines, sights, grip modules, pins, springs and other small parts for this handgun. 2. In the latest lawsuit, plaintiffs allege that the newer-version of the P320 can also discharge when dropped or struck from certain angles. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. The Military versions of the P320 are designated the M17 and the M18. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Excellent work. Like others said I never had a problem before this. So what's left? Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. They admitted their problem and fixed it. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. a. Either the gun is defective or its not. A forum community dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles owners and enthusiasts. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. Legacy slides will have either an internal extractor or a short external extractor. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Have you tried a different slide and barrel. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. Only problem I ever had with my 320 compact was a chipped extractor. Each time this gun misfires, and fires without the users intent, it is not only harming that individual, but these guns are a risk to anybody around, said Bob Zimmerman, a Philadelphia-based attorney with the firm Saltz Mongeluzzi & Bendesky, which is representing the plaintiffs in the latest filing, and has repeatedly sued the company for other alleged injuries. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. Any gun, ANY GUN, that goes off as many times as the Sig P320 has and has been documented without a trigger being pulled is FAR FAR FAR from being a great gun. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. All with VV310. congrats. I've lost a little faith in my EDC. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. I too think its ammo related. The new Kirk does suck. That was me. Tried different ammo? If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. I called Sig and the rep said the X5 is designed to do exactly that, blow out the extractor to save other vital parts, whenever there is an over pressure situation. I first ran about 100 rounds of brass through the gun, which was cleaned prior to today's range visit. Today on Tactical Fellowship! This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. My friend's 320 rx pictures below, out of battery firing, barrel appears to be short chambered, not enough case supportsee pix belowSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. Possible causes of that: ALMA- When I stated that I swapped the extractor with a knowen good one I failed to mention that I swapped the spring and plunger as well. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. Yes, but that did not mean the machine would be able to go on being marketed like that. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. More testing is needed to be 100 percent sure but looks good so far. You're never supposed to admit to shooting reloaded ammo when contacting customer service! TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. He probably had a double until it was over. It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. I suggest you contact Sig Customer Service, let them know you have an early P320 Compact and ask for replacement Extractor, Extractor Pin, and Extractor Spring due to the FTE issues you are encountering. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. During a confrontation with a suspect, Parkss department-issued P320 allegedly fired while his hands werent on the weapon, resulting in a bullet wound to Maritato. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. I've been using 120 bayou .358 dia. Thats like telling the cop you were only going 5 over, not 10. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Thats SIGs term for a recall. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. . I sold that pistol when I got it back. Using an example from the first prong, we legitimately fault the user who shot himself in the palm, rightfully asking why in the WORLD his palm was in front of the muzzle when he set the gun down. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it called a voluntary upgrade of the weapon, which included hardware changes to the trigger and striker. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. Six of those suits were brought by people serving in law enforcement when the gun fired. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. For the sake of comparison, the P365 has an overall length of 5.8-inches and height of 4.3inches, and the P365 XL has an overall length of 6.6-inches and a height of 4.8-inches. Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. Good videos, BTW very thorough; and unlike most youtube videos, it provides sensible, level-headed commentary from someone who actually shoots their pistol instead of trying to use it to prove how mall ninja they can be. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! 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