If you listen to Bagman, it'll be familiar, but it's also different and new. But on the sedition front, I said something about this on the air the other night, Im not sure it made sense to anybody who hasnt been thinking about this as intensely as I have. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's 9 p.m. show averaged a 2.3 rating, up from a 2.2, and . And he gets locked up for embezzling from the German American Bund because, I mean --, Rachel Maddow: -- one of the historic truths that you keep bumping up against is that a lot of people who have fascist and authoritarian impulses and move in these directions, theyre also grifters and --. Dog whistle, much? To be like, "Thank you. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Rachel Maddow: And that magic of being like, the show is over, I'm going to --. I feel like there has been real ultraright pro-authoritarian radicalism adjacent to Republican electoral politics for longer than we admitted. IE 11 is not supported. Rachel Maddow: His reach in terms of his market penetration and his radicalism cannot be overstated. And I've got this good mix of things now instead of just having a supersized serving of one thing that is too much for me to handle. . I'm not pulling this from memory. That's the very first words (ph) --, Chris Hayes: See, I'm doing the thing right now because we're talking about it. Rachel printed it out from a digital archive for me because the first part of it is all about the anti-semitic menacing that fascist groups were doing in the Bronx in the late 1930s. See or download fact-checks by FactCheck.org, PolitiFact, and The Washington Post's Fact Checker.The Nancy Pelosi Archive is one of several collections of TV news clips featuring public officials, with related fact-checks. So you get that name. And then in 1914, he had nine. If you're doing something in 90 seconds, it's like there's just a lot more room for error, right? She'll still appear on MSNBC, just not as often. Right. We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. That's actually a great primary source for this work because he reproduces all of the statements from the trial, that are hard to get from the multi-thousand-page transcript of the trial now, simply because he wants to rebut them in his book. And so, we had to decide whether or not this was the enemy within. Chris Hayes: Yeah, you do get him in, again, the kind of inter-warriors 101 --, Rachel Maddow: And also, you get him when people are sort of hyperbolically criticizing right-wing media, right? You may opt out at anytime. Rachel Maddow: -- and was profoundly both popular. Chris Hayes: OK. Once again, my great thanks to my dear friend and colleague, master of all media, Rachel Maddow. Chris Hayes: -- because its like at some level the comforting story to tell ourselves is that Coughlin is the kind of key instrument or whoever today. Rachel Maddow: -- who's (ph) Trump's inaugural chairman, as (ph) being a secret foreign agent. Rachel Maddow: Right. There are parts about fascist rhetoric that are compelling in their own twisted terrible way. Rachel Maddow: It is great. Just so incredibly perfect that I have a typo in this tweet. I don't know. By James Crowley On 11/20/20 at 11:13 AM EST. Chris Hayes: -- you play the Coughlin, its like even if it was in a language I can understand, I'm (ph) like, I think I know probably what hes ranting about. Rachel Maddow: And I'm really grateful. Chris Hayes: Well be right back after we take this quick break. I think you and I cherish it, not everyone does, but that theres some really important lines here about you can write a pamphlet saying Donald Trump should. What was that Howard Stern bit (ph)? He always deliberately keeps his show going one or two minutes into her time slot. Rachel Maddow: I was going to say, we're going to get a call from Mr. Stern, yeah. It's an hour --, Chris Hayes: And it's this thing. It was the seventh most-watched show in the first quarter of 2017. You can see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here, by going to nbcnews.com/whyisthishappening.Stream the video version of this conversation on Peacock here. The Chris Hayes Podcast" to discuss what she's been up to since dialing back from her nightly cable news show, how she found the story that's told in her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," the editorial and creative process that has followed, and more. But the effort to force a resolution to it through the criminal law and through the courts didn't work. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Last night, both Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow interviewed activists drawn to D.C. this week to advocate for gun control because they have personal experience with mass-shootings. Im talking to (ph) --. He interviews guys on the Nazi side of the plot to say, in fact, were you working with these Americans and gets them on the record from their cells at Nuremberg saying yeah, these were the Americans who we are working with. Quiz: Photo of Rachel Maddow or Photo of Chris Hayes? And I don't buy that chummy, "Thank you, my friend" from Rachel; they rarely chat and you can just cut the tension. Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good country song. It's like, you could leave the job but, like, the you follows you. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. And hes effectively calling for pogroms in this country after Kristallnacht happens in November 1938. One of her new projects is Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra, a podcast all about the history of pre-World War II American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Chris Hayes: Well, no, thats fascinating. All sorts of other efforts against those forces did work. It is a fascist myth to believe that you need a strong man to lead a fascist movement where you need is people who have an appetite. Earlier this week, CNN Business reported that Maddow's nightly show will end in 2022. Can you imagine if former President Donald Trump said this? I think there needs to be a bigger, broader anti-fascist movement where people actually have work to do every day and trying to --. Search us up on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. Rachel Maddow: -- because you have free speech, but you ought to be recognized as a political actor and for the political threat you pose to our system, and there ought to be a response. An icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. Rachel Maddow: And its like, you know what, Francis Sweeney, you know, I dont know if there ought to be a statue to you, but I definitely want to read a lot more about you and know --. Rachel Maddow: Yeah, yeah, and then he got a five-year prison sentence. Rachel Maddow: I found my way to the story a little bit backwards. "Rachel Maddow, you've got some explaining to do," Ball said, but Maddow hasn't stopped anti-Trump speculation. They have their first daughter named Ryan Elizabeth Shaw-Hayes born in November 2011. . Like, oh, dont worry too much about what youre hearing about the supposed Jews being supposedly persecuted. They were good at hitting, they were good at getting doubles and triples and all this stuff. Rachel Maddow: Oh, in terms of legitimately not knowing what's coming next? Rachel Maddow: I love that, but it takes a lot of work. Like, over the generations actually, the people who are the worst actors in this ultra-right sphere of American politics are thieves. So heres the thing Im really interested in because this is another resonance. A Florida state senator is proposing a bill that would call out the Democrats' hypocrisy regarding cancel culture. blend together . It has all of the kind of like context, and history, and pacing, and sort of just like narrative oomph of like a great Rachel A block, but with all the production abilities of a great podcast. So we start off with the story of the senator who you've never heard of. And if that thing isn't there at the end of the day, like, I got the day off --. And actually, it's amazing, you know, that the Oath Keepers sedition trial is going on --, Rachel Maddow: -- right now. Rachel Maddow: You're killing me. You can focus on any one of them. The 8 p.m. MSNBC show hosted by Chris Hayes averaged a 1.4 rating in June, down slightly from a 1.5 in May. Harriet Johnson, I only took out in the draft before you got that rough cut, so --, Chris Hayes: Right, because you didn't want to give me two names that I had to manage --. A Goodwill branch has, too. Rachel Maddow: An effort in the United States. We put it off a million times for COVID, and then we finally did it. I mean, the siege of Stalingrad, one of the most brutal, bloody things ever to happen in human war-making --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, they don't talk about the Hitler-Stalin Pact beforehand --. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. It can be stopped now before it acquires the prestige of success. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. Rachel Maddow: -- in part because he thinks that hes that. Doni Holloway: It was about events of historical significance compared to today. "No. Rachel Maddow: Theyre running, literally, Hitler youth summer camps --. And now I'm done. Rachel Maddow: And we are not going to fight them with knives. You know, I always think of him like a standup comedian where, you know, good standup comedians that go up and they get feedback from the room, and they iterate. Listen to Rachel Maddow talk about her new podcast, what it's like to be covering the news in this political moment, how we can use history to make sense of . I would say that theres a recognizably fascist cadence, like theres a certain tenor and cadence and rhythm --, Chris Hayes: -- to fascist incitement and then --. Its, to me, a bigger truth to realize there was a whole lot of them, and they were all meeting those needs in different ways. Rachel Maddow: I think we are capable of generating them. I mean, you can't have people who are afraid to tell you no, you can't. "Chris is always good he deserves a much bigger national reputation. Nico Parker discusses Dumbo. But I find it really interesting, so you're along for the ride. Get the latest news delivered right to your email. This was 1939. I mean, the stories about Jewish community activists in Los Angeles organizing infiltration of pro-Hitler German-American groups to then expose what those groups were doing even as the local police in California and the FBI had no interest in doing anything with what they were finding, I mean, what they did is they got newspaper articles written about it, and they got magazine articles written about it. Chris Hayes got his start on television as a guest host for. Like, wait a second, how does this happen? Rachel Maddow: I just took this long-haul train trip with my family as our family vacation. The Trump Archive, launched in January 2017, was the first such collection.. And I've been kind of like champing at bit of, like, OK, what do we do here? Rachel Maddow: That makes for a great political speech. And thats just always going to be true. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. Chris Hayes: Well, the thing I was going to say is its hard for good reasons, too, which gets this point of like what liberal democracy is and why we cherish it. Is that a story about authoritarianism? By driftglass October 15, 2020 You will notice in the video above, that during the "hand-off" between Mr. Chris Hayes and Ms. Rachel Maddow on MSNBC last night, there was pause so pregnant that I was sure Amy Coney Barrett was going to show up to block its access to Planned Parenthood. Chris Hayes is an American political commentator, television news anchor, and author. Oh, thats awesome. He is also the host of the Up with Chris Hayes show which airs on weekends. I mean, dont make --. His father-in-law is veteran Chicago reporter Andy Shaw. These are ones we are paying, and he publishes it and gets fired from the Justice Department for doing it. And those are some of the really interesting stories that I think are very much lost to history. Rachel Maddow: Yes, its a piece of it --, Rachel Maddow: -- and its not the end all, be all. But the reason the Justice Department put them on trial is bananas and is totally worth telling, and is an incredibly resonant snapshot of a previous iteration of the allure of authoritarianism in this country and what it took to fight it. Babe Ruth just completely annihilates the records, hits 29 in 1919 --. Chris Hayes: -- because I only had one, and that one was enough. Rachel Maddow: Yes, and that's got a whole lot of technical elements to it, like, dont --, Rachel Maddow: -- dont use too many proper nouns that are --, Chris Hayes: -- magicians trick, it really is, like --, Rachel Maddow: -- but you know how to do it. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. There were lots of good baseball players. Happy? Chris Hayes: -- I think like his coinage, essentially, in the proper imagination. Chris Hayes is . And one of the plots that we talk about in the podcast involves a guy who had been, you know, a high-ranking clan leader, right. I'm not spoiling it. Rachel Maddow: A paid agent of Hitler's government working with members of Congress and members of the United States Senate to distribute, literally, propaganda written by the German government targeting the American people in quantity. Chris Hayes: Well, that gets to something fascinating to me because we use the term "lost to history." As noted by conservative commentator Todd Starnes, Hayes in the past had linked Trump supporters to the swastika. It's like, yeah, my job does this, but then there's you, inside. Um Why is there a swastika behind you on the desk, Chris? I mean, yeah, weve got really radical right-wing media, but we dont have anything like that. Chris Hayes: Oh, my God, this is amazing. Chris Hayes: Well, so let's talk about before we get to the podcast --. As a bonus for "The Rachel Maddow Show" listeners, Rachel joins Chris Hayes on "Why Is This Happening? Is that a history about Hitler? Like, please, because thats like --. You made me meet me half the feelings. The historical, narrative style pod could hardly be more relevant, as the plot revolves around a sedition trial quite similar to the ongoing Oath Keepers one. Sometimes it's like there are exogenous factors. Chris Hayes: Having to do with, like, a pro-Nazi --, Doni Holloway: World War II era in America --, Chris Hayes: Yeah. Rachel Maddow: -- they're defeated and gone. Rachel Maddow: -- saying, oh, the Justice Department should have never done this, and these poor Americans were persecuted just for being conservatives. How are you going to take this very distinct, particular, you know, I think generational ability to tell stories in other fashions and forms and genres. Theres other nuances but --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, I mean, Hitler literally led a mob against the seat of government --. The three hosts Joy Reid, Chris Hayes, and Rachel Maddow have led. I think were capable of it. Similarly, his birthplace is Norwood, Bronx. Susan was like, you know, when I met you, you were a grad student who works hard. As threats to American democracy abound, theres more that has to be done to save it, said Maddow in our exclusive podcast interview. Hayes is renowned for his role as the host of the All In with Chris Hayes weekday news show which airs on MSNBC. There was a huge amount of, probably, a bigger category of not outright Nazi sympathizers but people who are, like, kind of equivocal about the whole thing. May 8, 2013. Chris Hayes: -- its a very good compelling story. You take the base average the number of viewers who tune in at a specific time slot, no matter the host then measure whether a particular host raises, drops or maintains that average.. For example, The Rachel Maddow Show averaged 2.6 million in 2021 at 9 pm. Conservative talk show host Dan Bongino's Fox News show has trounced a documentary about his former boss, Barack Obama, in the ratings. And as such, your failed plot is a failed plot and can be minimized as unserious --, Rachel Maddow: -- and unthreatening. Rachel Maddow: I know, but its a speech about the Jews, about the evil --, Rachel Maddow: -- of the Jews. So, but that gets only (ph) --. And here he is, like, arguing for (inaudible) --. D, ask your local clergymen to preach sermons on tolerance. And sedition is, therefore, very hard to prove because anybody whos on trial for sedition --, Rachel Maddow: -- did not have an effective --, Rachel Maddow: -- seditious plan. So to me, that's like the thing that I feel like I brought to this job that I've tried to hold on to and tried to build on, which is people are capable of absorbing any level of complexity and even obscurity if you do the work to get them there. Chris Hayes: And then what you uncover is that, like, prior to Pearl Harbor, there was a huge amount of Nazi sympathy in the United States. They named him Home Run Baker because of how many home runs he hit, and he hit 11. Here's the thing, I'm in this weird thing where it's like I don't want to spoil it, but kind of have to talk about the content of the podcast. In the first quarter of 2015, "The Rachel Maddow Show" was ranked 26th among all cable news shows. Rachel Maddow: Super interesting. Like think about what that would translate to in terms of todays ratings. His full name is Christopher Loffredo. Then, its them. The Huey Long guy who lost the Christian Front trial. In this case, this pamphlet is about the Bronx. ", Rich Polk / Getty Images for Politicon; Scott Olson / Getty Images. Chris Hayes: All right. Chris Hayes: I am someone who does this for a living. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. Up w/ Chris Hayes: Are we in an era of post-truth politics? You have to work with people who are smarter than you, who keep you on track and bring out the best in you. That's how FARA, which is now, like, having this new rebirth in the Trump era. And he gave me some two-sentence sketch that he'd been given. No one knows or even cares if Biden's story is true. But no sooner did they move to New York City. Rachel Maddow: Exactly. And it was front-page news, and it was a huge deal. Rachel Maddow: -- you are smart, and you can travel this path with me, but we will both start with this first step. Be sure to follow us on TikTok. Chris Hayes: Who figures prominently in the podcast. The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. Chris Hayes: -- because its like, look, well, it turned around in the end. Chris Hayes: Hes just a guy (ph), like --. It was stopped when the FBI arrested these perpetrators on January 17th, right. He gets fired by going rogue and saying, "We didnt get a conviction, but Im going to tell you what our evidence was. Rachel Maddow: I mean, is that a story about the limitations to the critical law? You also agree to our. Offsite Link by Anonymous reply 24 May 21, 2020 12:04 AM They are best friends. Rachel Maddow: Trying to take power by force. I try to tell stories for a living. Point is, Babe Ruth was sort of just doing something different than every other baseball player was doing. . Copyright 2023 The Western Journal. Maddow recently told her viewers it was "nonsense" to believe Trump's word. He served like nine months, wrote Mein Kampf --, Rachel Maddow: -- perfected his ideas of propaganda as being the way to not just seize power but hold power, came out, took him 10 years, and within --. Whatever is going to happen now, it's going to be coming down from that, so that was very kind. Because these are fascist thugs --. And in that opening statement from the prosecution in the Oath Keepers sedition trial, the prosecutor said, you know, A, they thought when they left the Capitol on January 6th that they had succeeded and that there would not be an electoral count certification --, Rachel Maddow: -- and that they were then plotting their next steps when they realized that Congress reconvened --. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. They orchestrated civil lawsuits between different pro-fascist groups suing each other in order to expose all their dirty laundry to the world because law enforcement didnt care, right? Rachel Maddow: This is a booklet about the Christian Front. The subject of the. and. And then, you know, it's one of these things where the story you end up learning, even at a relatively high level of sophistication in American history, is like, what comes out the other end, which is that we liberate --. Like, there was a weird moment around the birth of American Holocaust denial and accountability for actual Nazis, not allegorical Nazis, but the real Nazi leadership that brought me to this moment. I feel like this idea that we're dealing with pro-authoritarian impulses on the right as connected to electoral politics, that being some sort of unprecedented challenge, it doesn't feel unprecedented to me. C, organize local tolerance committees in your own neighborhood to hold street meetings and other meetings. It's like, well, I have an 18-month and they're up all night, so I'm tired all the time. And some of them, yes, were prosecutors and people working inside the criminal justice system, but some of them were crusading columnists. If passed, this bill in Iowa would pose a massive challenge to the federal government's recognition of same-sex marriage. He goes to Germany. And we are not going to fight them by getting rid of our civil liberties. We love your feedback, so tweet us the hashtag #WITHpod, e-mail WITHpod@gmail.com. Where is the threat to walk out, to boycott, to stand on principle, by Rachel Maddow? And that means that the history of it, to the extent that there is any history of it, has been written by the right and by people who are sympathizers of the defendants --. Yeah, it's about titrating that stuff. Chris Hayes: You know, we have D-Day. The political commentator Chris was born on February 28, 1979. Also, the pamphlet behind me, which indeed have a swastika on it, is an incredible. This isn't good." When I go on vacation, I take Twitter off my phone and I don't know what's happening in the world. Chris Hayes: -- or it falls apart if you're doing something in 15 minutes or 14 minutes. MSNBC hosts Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow had a hard time controlling their laughter on Wednesday night over Donald Trump's sheer stupidity. Theyre not sending their best. And I want to learn your sort of lessons about how to live in the face of these kinds of threats. Rachel Maddow: And also, is this real? Rachel Maddow: Like, you and I have talked about this over the years, about how important that is and how you make sure with your staff there's an expectation that nobody is working through the weekend --, Rachel Maddow: -- yes, stuff comes up and there's --. Chris Hayes: So the broad contours of this, and again they're individual stories and I want to keep that narrative suspense --, Chris Hayes: -- is about essentially, like, fascist sympathies in the United States in the run-up to World War II. Chris Hayes is married to Kate A. Shaw who is an associate professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law. The effort to replace Hayes has been complicated by three factors: First, Lack has been too busy trying to relaunch MSNBC -- and the career of Brian Williams, the former NBC Nightly News anchor . One of the defendants wrote a book about it. Rachel Maddow: And so I think, talking about Coughlin, I mean, his newspaper is called "Social Justice" --, Rachel Maddow: -- right? They didn't want Nazi war criminals being put on trial because that was unfair to the Nazis. But he writes from an interesting perspective about the theology of Coughlin --, Rachel Maddow: -- and the sort of struggle in the church in terms of when they were going to pull the plug on him and why. January 17th is when they got arrested. Chris Hayes: You have this detail about he reprints -- Goebbels --. But this highly. MSNBC's Chris Hayes Posts Photo with Rachel Maddow, Then Users Notice Symbol Next to Them By Jack Davis October 6, 2022 at 8:34am The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. Chris Hayes: -- by Reverend Alson J. Smith --. I mean, this is --, Chris Hayes: -- stuff that is top of mind at the time, big news --. But I'll tell you, the name of the secretary. Chris Hayes: Howard Stern, yeah. Rachel Maddow: Yes. . 42:33. Rachel Maddow: A bad guy needing to be opposed by force to save you, your family and all that you hold dear. I mean, theres a couple of things here. It ends up being very handy. I think that our professional and civic and religious institutions can be strong but can also be heard. I mean, if you take people at face value and you believe that they are arguing earnestly for what they believe, those are fascinating and substantive arguments, which also occluded a lot of active fascist-organizing in the United States at the time. And then someone comes along, they just like do it differently. Chris Hayes: -- like, how is the new life of one night a week of "The Rachel Maddow Show"? Rachel Maddow: And then you were in local morning radio and working this hard, and then you were working for the ACLU --. Chris Hayes: I don't know whose secretary is. Rachel Maddow: Really not clear that youre going to be able to get against the Oath Keepers? Then they planned a second attack. Well, then who are the Jewish bankers, right? I would know if that happened, like someone's miscommunicating to me what the topic of this is because, if that had happened, I would know, but it turns out it did happen, I didn't know about it. Rachel Maddow: But also, power corrupts, right? pic.twitter.com/h6uNdmCT2q, Aldous Huxleys Ghost (@AF632) October 5, 2022, TexZeus (@vinnieoftexas_) October 4, 2022. Rachel Maddow: -- answer whatever e-mails I need to answer that pertain to this evening, and then shutoff and not turn on again until the workday starts again. Rachel Maddow: Its about there being a bad guy, that bad guy not being you --. And a lot of the most fascist stuff comes from what it gets in the room. She writes her first lady column about how shocked she is. He is encouraging America that the leaders we need to be emulating are Mussolini and Franco, and he calls for his followers to form armed militia cells to train with weapons, to go the Franco way, to go the way of fascism in this country. Chris Hayes: As opposed to, like, no, liberal democracy is a hard thing to maintain. And I'm hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who've done it well can give us some energy. 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